Meeting Minutes for February 12, 2002
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Chairman
George Bisso called the meeting to order at 0933.
Introductions were made around the tables.
DRAFT Minutes of the Jan 8, 2002 meeting were reviewed, and approved.
George won’t be able to attend the April meeting, as has a conflict
with NAB.
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Checking Account
Ending Balance, 2/12/2002 |
$2775.15 |
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Savings Account
Balance, 2/12/2002 |
$848.26 |
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Bank Balance – (all accounts) |
$3,623.41 |
800 MHz IX
Discussion centered around issues about the Nextel ‘white paper’,
which did not address high power levels blanketing nearby radios of other
services. Spectrum availability
698-746 MHz and re-locating some services might hold possibility of some relief
for public and private systems. The
folks in Washington DC, need to hear from users.
Steve Leonard spoke of some different MTS 2000 radios, with circuit board
modifications, which may show improvements in selectivity, and more general
research/testing in the Factoria area is to follow.
Jon Wiswell spoke about Seattle doing more testing using mod “D”
radios, and more discussion with Nextel is continuing.
There are problems of Intermod, high signal levels, and even mixes with
cellular providers as possible trouble areas, not just mixes between Public
Safety systems and Nextel. Pat
Buller mentioned issues in APCO and Utilities that may conflict in suggested
solutions, as each entity is looking out for the users they represent.
There are also issues of incompatible technology, mentioned by Jerry Noe,
with 220 MHz, and 800 MHz types of equipment.
In some cases, FCC may seem to be espousing
“broadband” solutions. Steve
Leonard gave info about Nextel sites, power levels, and offered to do a
technical presentation about the iDEN technology at a later meeting.
Discussion ensued about possible questions, whether Nextel could provide
a Management representative to attend a meeting, or whether that was needed.
Leonard will prepare info about power levels, and several examples were
cited, with most Nextel sites using 10 watts output to 10-12 db gain antennas.
Highest site powers are around 70 watts, handsets operate at 0.5 watts
and with –2db insertion, yield about 100 milliwatts out.
Several members spoke of their own experiences.
George summarized: the real issue is incompatible technologies that have
a hard time living next to each other. What
is the solution? Can or should we
spread the frequencies, lower power levels, isolate the services?
Until something is done, the problems will continue, service by service.
Some discussion reviewed processes the cellular companies use when
customers report problems. Trouble
tickets generate particular responses from different functional areas within a
company, depending on whether it’s a coverage, capacity, site, or educational
issue. George suggested a pre-planned presentation, or even a series
of them, that our group can announce ahead of time. A motion passed, to have a Nextel presentation at the
May meeting. We must get questions
to Steve Leonard by May 1. There is
a possibility that the May presentation might precipitate a letter to Congress
from our Group, on what direction we’d like to see Governmental action on in
the future. ((Loren is bringing a
number of articles, from various sources discussing the issue, and some
responses to the Nextel ‘white paper’, along to the March meeting))
(OPEN)
700 MHz Planning
Meetings
Wiz mentioned new web sites for tracking the activity in Washington and
Oregon around the 700 MHz possibilities. They
are www.region43.org, and www.region35.org,
respectively. Planning activities
are happening, and regular meetings are on going.
((Kevin Kearns sent some info in an e-mail on 3/8, which Loren will have
available at the March meeting)) Contact
Jon Wiswell or Pat Buller for more info. (OPEN)
Joint Meeting 2002
There was brief discussion about WCTC.
Canada would normally host this year, as last was at Sudden Valley.
Kris McGowan contacted Bob Fedoruk, Industry Canada, to initiate
communication about the joint meeting and WCTC, but wasn’t present at the
meeting to discuss. Suggested
topics and questions should begin to be developed. Loren will continue work on contacting counterparts from last
year’s list. (OPEN)
WWCIC regular meeting
location
We will continue to meet at the Washington State Patrol facility through
the end of 2002. Members are
welcome to suggest alternative facilities.
Refer to the WWCIC web site for detailed directions to this location.
(CLOSED)
Bulletin Board Line
and WWCIC web site
The bulletin board line is shut down.
Alan Robinson will update the web-site Officer’s page, and will be the
e-mail contact, if a person wishes to send info or ask questions of the
organization, as shown in multiple places on various pages of the WWCIC site.
(OPEN)
Technical Seminars at
meetings
There is continuing interest in the
“seminars”, that were proposed some time ago, to be presented at our
meetings. Wiz did one previously on
trunked radio technology. There
should be more discussion, about other subjects. (OPEN)
WWCIC Bank
Accounts
Loren mentioned
asking about potential changes in the way the checking and savings accounts are
handled. Some
information was gathered when visiting the bank to get materials for updating
the account signature card.
A motion was passed to work up an annual budget, and review the
non-profit status and dues needs of the organization, to see if there are any
implications to making changes to the accounts.
Loren will bring back results of the analyses.
FCC
Dennis Anderson spoke about enhanced antenna registration, and tower
lighting improvements made to the Internet databases, and better queries
response. Several enforcement items
were announced. Unsolicited Fax’s
were discussed, and one British company had a large fine levied for violations.
Most FCC documents can be found on FCC’s website www.fcc.gov.
If you would like help, or like to know how to get hard copy, please
contact Dennis Anderson.
George mentioned about DBS
(digital broadcast service) terrestrial repeaters, and a database being set up.
High power is used at some sites, 1.6-2.3 GHz, with one mentioned running
35KW. NAB wants to limit
proliferation of that kind of subscription services.
Pat Buller reiterated about how important measurements of ambient noise
floor, and keeping records are. George
also mentioned a no-host lunch meeting of SBE, on 2/14/2002, discussing IBOC (in
band on channel) issues. Can the FM
broadcast industry make use of lower power?
There might be possible sites that could drop from 100 KW down to 30, and
still cover their areas. Loren
removed Steve Safarik from the e-mail list, as several bounce-backs indicate he
isn’t at the record address.
The meeting adjourned at
11:18. Thanks to everyone for your
interest and support for WWCIC.
Loren H. Postma
Secretary/Treasurer